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Forest]Myk's End Game
« on: June 26, 2010, 09:51:34 PM »

A few people as of late have stated they don't know exactly what to do in the end game, I figured that I may as well start a topic on my strategies for the late game, which unlike most of my strategy topics will actually be on the strategy, and not tactics of the situation.

So let us begin with an all too common scenario...

Note: All strategies are based on the assumption all other players are at least competent, of at least minimal intelligence, and are playing more or less to win.

Note: These strategies are to get you to a position to win, not to tell you when you're in a position to win and how to win from there.

Three Powers
As we all know when there are three powers left they generally tend to go after first the largest, and second the biggest threat.

Largest - When you're the largest in a game with three powers left you are going to be teamed, it's not a matter of if it's a matter of when. The longer the wait the worse your odds are if your income is less then the combined income of the other players. When the war starts, find a player who's attacking an area you need the least and is closest to largest, fight them less but still fight, fight the other player harder, when the first is largest point out that they are and that the two of you need to team that player.

Non Largest - When you become the largest you will most likely be teamed, so when the war starts fight the largest, but don't expend too much of your gold, you need the other players to focus on each other more than on you. When you feel you have enough of an advantage and can get land from the largest for the least amount of gold it's time to strike. Good Luck.


Four Powers
Four Power games generally turn into two 1v1 wars, and generally then turn into a Three Power game or a Two Power game.

Large Power
- If you're a large power you'll generally attack a smaller power, in this case the other large power generally attacks the other smaller player, and no matter how many strategies get you from point A to point B point B will always be that you must kill your target first. If you do not and you need to fight the other large player immediately to win you will have to truce the small nation and go into the Three Power game it's just become, only you'll have strained relations with the small power, to say the least.

Small Power - A large power will most likely attack you, you must survive this war, if you do this successfully you're in a tough spot, the large nation near you will most likely still want to kill you, and you'll be in the toughest position of all, keeping the balance between the large powers while slowly growing. That is all the more difficult because one mistake and the others will kill you.


PS. If you have any other scenarios you need help with post them in this topic and I'll try to help.
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Re: Forest]Myk's End Game
« Reply #1 on: June 27, 2010, 11:21:08 AM »

A few people as of late have stated they don't know exactly what to do in the end game, I figured that I may as well start a topic on my strategies for the late game, which unlike most of my strategy topics will actually be on the strategy, and not tactics of the situation.

So let us begin with an all too common scenario...

Note: All strategies are based on the assumption all other players are at least competent, of at least minimal intelligence, and are playing more or less to win.

Note: These strategies are to get you to a position to win, not to tell you when you're in a position to win and how to win from there.

Three Powers
As we all know when there are three powers left they generally tend to go after first the largest, and second the biggest threat.

Largest - When you're the largest in a game with three powers left you are going to be teamed, it's not a matter of if it's a matter of when. The longer the wait the worse your odds are if your income is less then the combined income of the other players. When the war starts, find a player who's attacking an area you need the least and is closest to largest, fight them less but still fight, fight the other player harder, when the first is largest point out that they are and that the two of you need to team that player.

Non Largest - When you become the largest you will most likely be teamed, so when the war starts fight the largest, but don't expend too much of your gold, you need the other players to focus on each other more than on you. When you feel you have enough of an advantage and can get land from the largest for the least amount of gold it's time to strike. Good Luck.


Four Powers
Four Power games generally turn into two 1v1 wars, and generally then turn into a Three Power game or a Two Power game.

Large Power
- If you're a large power you'll generally attack a smaller power, in this case the other large power generally attacks the other smaller player, and no matter how many strategies get you from point A to point B point B will always be that you must kill your target first. If you do not and you need to fight the other large player immediately to win you will have to truce the small nation and go into the Three Power game it's just become, only you'll have strained relations with the small power, to say the least.

Small Power - A large power will most likely attack you, you must survive this war, if you do this successfully you're in a tough spot, the large nation near you will most likely still want to kill you, and you'll be in the toughest position of all, keeping the balance between the large powers while slowly growing. That is all the more difficult because one mistake and the others will kill you.


PS. If you have any other scenarios you need help with post them in this topic and I'll try to help.


Well, I've noticed situations, where I have a super hard time, and finally take over africa and middle east, and someone already has euroasia and someone has NA, and another has SA, and another has ant/aussy.   Some reason, the euroasia guy isn't making a move, just saving up, due to his fear of 4v1.  What would you suggest?

This hasnt' happened to me lately, I just felt like saying an overpowering situation to hear your suggestion.

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Re: Forest]Myk's End Game
« Reply #2 on: June 27, 2010, 04:08:32 PM »

Well the best option is sadly just to sit and when something does go down find the easiest place to expand to, but you should mass on your borders so people don't think you'll be easy to invade in the mean time.
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Re: Forest]Myk's End Game
« Reply #3 on: June 29, 2010, 12:49:21 PM »

Forest has one Option (Boring but true)  I got 2 more...  Almost always a Suicide but fun - Option One: Attack the big guys, Annoy him... Make him attack you Save gold n at the Same time use Every Good Spot to Def n make it Harder for him... Make you Barracks Attack the right Units n us mostly the men u have standing... Then if People r Smart they will Help you n you will be a Fighter n not a  Cry'er r or a Chicken... (Forest was the chicken one ^^).

  Coward n hate you for it (Cry'er) - Option two: Start Telling Everone about the Situation. Tell them to try n make Peace (If they r attacking Eachother)  N tell them to attack "The big" guy. Tell them Thats hes Saving n Everything.  N if they listen to you... The big power will prob Suicide you of hate... ^^! Thats all, End of show...   Thanks you~
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Re: Forest]Myk's End Game
« Reply #4 on: June 29, 2010, 02:20:26 PM »

Well if you do start the war that would be the something you wait to happen.

Although personally I like to save a little so I have that cush fund in case the shit hits the fan.
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Re: Forest]Myk's End Game
« Reply #5 on: June 29, 2010, 05:23:34 PM »

I used to save... (When i thought winning is the most important thing)  But now a days i play for fun, To win... But for fun ^^   Asking for help isn't something i do Anymore rly... I Do Option One... I attack him n see what happens (Surprisingly it often turns out good... Win most of those game for some reason)

And after playing on this Account n winning like 4 out of 5 times i thought, "This is going well, I should Create a new Account n get some good win/loss ration)  N so i did, But i lost... First game. Secound... third... I lost 5 times in a row!  Mby i play better not caring about winning? :O ^^  But its Going pretty shitty Atm -.

But maby i was just lucky... (But i dont thing so)  In one of those 5 loses i losed Against some dude in the beginning... He had  2st 4+  (Argentina n the one under in ant... Dont remember name)  N i had like All of SA . Just Argentina n the 2+ in the top... Vene Missing... Also had Hawaii!  So he had 2st 4+  and i had  2st 3+ and a 2+... And he Out Macro me Somehow...  Its was Classic, N he got real many snipers some how :O  I just got Rifle n healers... So he keept f**king with meh with the snipers n i (10 ROunds l8er -.-) Thought... "Hey mby u should get snipers" But he killed them n i lost!

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On one game i meet the Second best player...  The one under you Forest.  He won Pretty easy, He got Africa, Asia, Au... I had all other but NA... N the guy in NA attacked me, Then stopped... Then was Afk, Then got killed wile being Afk Byt the Second best player... I tried taking him... He took me down (Had no cash) He won the game, I Cried my self to sleep ^^

Sry that i went Off-topic...  Had nothing better to do then share my "I just got owned" Moments with ya ^^

Shows over, Thanks~
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Re: Forest]Myk's End Game
« Reply #6 on: July 02, 2010, 09:32:12 PM »

I used to save... (When i thought winning is the most important thing)  But now a days i play for fun, To win... But for fun ^^   Asking for help isn't something i do Anymore rly... I Do Option One... I attack him n see what happens (Surprisingly it often turns out good... Win most of those game for some reason)

And after playing on this Account n winning like 4 out of 5 times i thought, "This is going well, I should Create a new Account n get some good win/loss ration)  N so i did, But i lost... First game. Secound... third... I lost 5 times in a row!  Mby i play better not caring about winning? :O ^^  But its Going pretty shitty Atm -.

But maby i was just lucky... (But i dont thing so)  In one of those 5 loses i losed Against some dude in the beginning... He had  2st 4+  (Argentina n the one under in ant... Dont remember name)  N i had like All of SA . Just Argentina n the 2+ in the top... Vene Missing... Also had Hawaii!  So he had 2st 4+  and i had  2st 3+ and a 2+... And he Out Macro me Somehow...  Its was Classic, N he got real many snipers some how :O  I just got Rifle n healers... So he keept f**king with meh with the snipers n i (10 ROunds l8er -.-) Thought... "Hey mby u should get snipers" But he killed them n i lost!

Also...

On one game i meet the Second best player...  The one under you Forest.  He won Pretty easy, He got Africa, Asia, Au... I had all other but NA... N the guy in NA attacked me, Then stopped... Then was Afk, Then got killed wile being Afk Byt the Second best player... I tried taking him... He took me down (Had no cash) He won the game, I Cried my self to sleep ^^

Sry that i went Off-topic...  Had nothing better to do then share my "I just got owned" Moments with ya ^^

Shows over, Thanks~


If you let him get all that territory without instigating a war against him [2+ v him], then it's your fault for not playing the politics properly.

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Re: Forest]Myk's End Game
« Reply #7 on: July 03, 2010, 01:02:14 PM »

I used to save... (When i thought winning is the most important thing)  But now a days i play for fun, To win... But for fun ^^   Asking for help isn't something i do Anymore rly... I Do Option One... I attack him n see what happens (Surprisingly it often turns out good... Win most of those game for some reason)

And after playing on this Account n winning like 4 out of 5 times i thought, "This is going well, I should Create a new Account n get some good win/loss ration)  N so i did, But i lost... First game. Secound... third... I lost 5 times in a row!  Mby i play better not caring about winning? :O ^^  But its Going pretty shitty Atm -.

But maby i was just lucky... (But i dont thing so)  In one of those 5 loses i losed Against some dude in the beginning... He had  2st 4+  (Argentina n the one under in ant... Dont remember name)  N i had like All of SA . Just Argentina n the 2+ in the top... Vene Missing... Also had Hawaii!  So he had 2st 4+  and i had  2st 3+ and a 2+... And he Out Macro me Somehow...  Its was Classic, N he got real many snipers some how :O  I just got Rifle n healers... So he keept f**king with meh with the snipers n i (10 ROunds l8er -.-) Thought... "Hey mby u should get snipers" But he killed them n i lost!

Also...

On one game i meet the Second best player...  The one under you Forest.  He won Pretty easy, He got Africa, Asia, Au... I had all other but NA... N the guy in NA attacked me, Then stopped... Then was Afk, Then got killed wile being Afk Byt the Second best player... I tried taking him... He took me down (Had no cash) He won the game, I Cried my self to sleep ^^

Sry that i went Off-topic...  Had nothing better to do then share my "I just got owned" Moments with ya ^^

Shows over, Thanks~


If you let him get all that territory without instigating a war against him [2+ v him], then it's your fault for not playing the politics properly.


Yor right. But it wassnt like that.  I would have Attacked him much sooner if i know that the one in North America was a "Give win, Noobster" But i thought. With the Guy in Na i Surly take him down... But like i said. He attacked my (Give win) N then went AFK... -.-
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Re: Forest]Myk's End Game
« Reply #8 on: July 13, 2010, 06:20:30 PM »

...but you should mass on your borders so people don't think you'll be easy to invade in the mean time.


I think this rule of thumb is not always right, I for one like to keep my harbors kind of undefended, especially places like madagascar (unless its a big income territory like china Unit States... etz etz...)

The reason is to trick the opponent to waste his cash on an attack and counter attack with your own ships. Why? because face it, shipyards are really hard to hold and dont produce any of the regulars.

However im not very good at this game so feel free to debate this statement. =3


Another topic you guys mentioned, sometimes the 'noobs' have the luxury of grabbing a continent and just sits there or even worse attacks you for no good reason. And when it comes down to one guy who is about to conquer everything you sorta expect everyone to be smart enough to attack him, however some suiciders or noobs just fail to help and you end up playing 1v1 vs someone with 40 more income....

So my question is, how to recognize these bastards earlyier so that you can take them into acount when you get to the end game stand off.


Sorry for my poor europeen english ;)
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Re: Forest]Myk's End Game
« Reply #9 on: July 25, 2010, 02:19:03 PM »

A few hints to notice obvious noobs:

1) Awkward territory arrangement:  They don't go for full continents.
2) Bad k/d: Obvious.
3) Awkward unit composition:  Tanks are bad at turn 10.  Using medic lt's without using roar....awesomeness.
4) Diplomatic failure: No diplomacy done by said player.
5) Random attacks: My favorite.  Random attacking, because "they want to avoid the strongest player and this is their first time they have had a continent".

Hints that your player is excellent:

1) Uses Roar - Take note, this guy is probably going to be hard to fight against
2) Utilizes Ships - If a player uses ships to help bombard land units, be afraid of him.  He's good.
3) Split attacks - If you watch a player hit multiple fronts at once against another player, then yeah, he's good.  Be afraid.

It requires you to pay attention to the map a lot more.  A really good player will reduce the effectiveness of any attack and make you snowball, so if you want to engage him at equal income, you might be in for some serious backstab from another player.

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Re: Forest]Myk's End Game
« Reply #10 on: September 30, 2010, 10:27:43 PM »

My end game strategy,
if your not prepared to take be prepared to defend,
if they are a bunch of noobs and they team, well kill the noobiest faster and dely the already so slow noobs.
Against 2 other WP You basically have to estimate how much damage one person can give to you over the other and destroy him first, or at first.... O  i dunno ill never tell

Against 3 wp Toy with the one that really wants to win but cant hurt you, shead the army of anyone that cannot infiltrate you,
and be such an enemy to 1 or 2 of them that the 3rd one has no choice but to love me or "use me baby" use me, ill crush you like a lip on a boob, suck yeah dry biznitch,

2-3 worldpowers and enemy backed pirates- The cheeky option for you would to be act like a victim, aww this is bs. if you know they are so bitter then simply trade spaces by waring someone heavily enough or act in somenoe elses intrest, be the biggest pirate of them all.
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Re: Forest]Myk's End Game
« Reply #11 on: October 01, 2010, 12:41:32 PM »

Just never let the enemy build up resources.
In all my games, I have almost never had a 2 or 3 power situation at the end as such. If you just keep rolling through the continents simultainously, your income will go up fast but not to fast until one round you go from 40 to around 80.
Normally I have ~80 income before people realise how big I am, and by that time I have 150 gold since I am rich, but everyone is poor from fighting all game.

Even when you get 3-5 v 1, they still can't win if you just cut, cut and cut. Never relent, never stop cutting them in the back.
If it is transports mode, land in weak places. If they build loads get back on the transport and sail to another play. They spend loads of gold for nothing.

If you do start to lose, pull your units back in such a way that you give your attackers as big borders with each other as possible, and save your gold.
Never waste gold on a futile war, best to pretend to be defeated and keep 200 in your pocket.
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